Comments on: Moving past the “blogs versus journalism” debate http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate The art of doing a lot with a little. Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:59:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: coturnix http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate/comment-page-1#comment-16532 coturnix Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:53 +0000 http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate#comment-16532 I think you masterfully conracted years of discussion into a short article. Why can't they see the obvious: they had you and Anton and others right there at their mercy and they did not think of the brilliant idea to ASK YOU? You could have told them what questions are important, what debates are pertinent, what local blogs are important and much, much more, if it only occured to them that YOU are the experts to ask such things. It feels like they relied only on their own limited understanding of blogs and the blogosphere. I think you masterfully conracted years of discussion into a short article. Why can’t they see the obvious: they had you and Anton and others right there at their mercy and they did not think of the brilliant idea to ASK YOU? You could have told them what questions are important, what debates are pertinent, what local blogs are important and much, much more, if it only occured to them that YOU are the experts to ask such things. It feels like they relied only on their own limited understanding of blogs and the blogosphere.

]]> By: Ruby http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate/comment-page-1#comment-16484 Ruby Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:20 +0000 http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate#comment-16484 More blogger reactions... <a href="http://ibiblio.org/pjones/wordpress/?p=1620" rel="nofollow">Paul sums me up pretty well</a>: <blockquote>Ruby Sinreich wants reporters to credit bloggers when they take bits from the blogs. This is not a new complaint. OP is a rich source for local reporters who for some reason don’t think that OPers care if their community gets the credit. Note from Ruby: <em>We do care.</em></blockquote> And <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2006/10/anton_zuikers_article_in_today.php" rel="nofollow">Bora notes that Q omitted some of the most popular bloggers in the Triangle</a>. He's probably correct if you look at blogs by daily traffic. And it certainly would have helped to elevate the stature of bloggers by noting what large and devoted followings they have around the world. I could argue that they chose blogs that are more influential locally, but the simple fact is that the N&O knows very little about blogs and blogging (despite meekly <a href="http://blogs.newsobserver.com/">attempting to do it for the past year</a>). As I said at the very top of this post, they have stuck a naive toe in the fray without seeming to have any context on the vast discussion that has been going on for years. It's really not that hard, folks. You don't have to let go of your typewriters (but it might help to loosen your grip), but you do have to start reading some blogs! If you can't handle the low standards (ha) of everyday, unprofessional bloggers, just start with your colleagues like <a href="http://www.edcone.com" rel="nofollow">Ed Cone</a> and <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/" rel="nofollow">Jay Rosen</a>. And please remember, we don't want your jobs, we just want you to do them better! More blogger reactions… Paul sums me up pretty well:
Ruby Sinreich wants reporters to credit bloggers when they take bits from the blogs. This is not a new complaint. OP is a rich source for local reporters who for some reason don’t think that OPers care if their community gets the credit. Note from Ruby: We do care.

And Bora notes that Q omitted some of the most popular bloggers in the Triangle. He’s probably correct if you look at blogs by daily traffic. And it certainly would have helped to elevate the stature of bloggers by noting what large and devoted followings they have around the world.

I could argue that they chose blogs that are more influential locally, but the simple fact is that the N&O knows very little about blogs and blogging (despite meekly attempting to do it for the past year). As I said at the very top of this post, they have stuck a naive toe in the fray without seeming to have any context on the vast discussion that has been going on for years.

It’s really not that hard, folks. You don’t have to let go of your typewriters (but it might help to loosen your grip), but you do have to start reading some blogs! If you can’t handle the low standards (ha) of everyday, unprofessional bloggers, just start with your colleagues like Ed Cone and Jay Rosen.

And please remember, we don’t want your jobs, we just want you to do them better!

]]> By: Ruby http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate/comment-page-1#comment-16479 Ruby Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:05:25 +0000 http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate#comment-16479 You too, Anton! Unfortunately, now everything but the front page on the N & O website is prompting me to register before I can see their content. Even http://newsobserver.com/news/orange and http://newsobserver.com/news/q which are current, not archive pages. I guess they don't want me to read their articles... You too, Anton! Unfortunately, now everything but the front page on the N & O website is prompting me to register before I can see their content. Even http://newsobserver.com/news/orange and http://newsobserver.com/news/q which are current, not archive pages.

I guess they don’t want me to read their articles…

]]> By: Anton Zuiker http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate/comment-page-1#comment-16393 Anton Zuiker Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:16:27 +0000 http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate#comment-16393 Ruby, Great to share the pages of the N&O with you today. Nice contribution, and thanks for being such a good role model for those of us who want to use our online efforts to better our communities. Ruby,

Great to share the pages of the N&O with you today. Nice contribution, and thanks for being such a good role model for those of us who want to use our online efforts to better our communities.

]]> By: Ruby http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate/comment-page-1#comment-16382 Ruby Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:21:39 +0000 http://lotusmedia.org/moving-past-the-blogs-versus-journalism-debate#comment-16382 I haven't gotten to read the other articles, so judgement is still out, but Q looks interesting. Here's a link to the whole section (this will only work until next Sunday): http://www.newsobserver.com/news/q And here's my bit: http://www.newsobserver.com/164/story/501363.html They seem to have omitted the photo credit on my article, which should say "Brian Russell." Is a correction in order? I haven’t gotten to read the other articles, so judgement is still out, but Q looks interesting. Here’s a link to the whole section (this will only work until next Sunday): http://www.newsobserver.com/news/q

And here’s my bit: http://www.newsobserver.com/164/story/501363.html
They seem to have omitted the photo credit on my article, which should say “Brian Russell.” Is a correction in order?

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